Wow Derrick. You are quite brave to venture into this 'realm' at this specific time in human history but I commend you for doing so.
I personally have learnt a great deal and while I already knew most of material about "The Grove", I was still caught by surprise by some of the attendees shown in your film, including Neil Armstrong, RFK and Menachem Begin (did I see right? You didn't state his name specifically).
Not sure if I would choose to feature Icke in an episode on such a truly 'explosive' topic, which may elicit (very very) strong emotions amongst people with strong religious views, as doing so opens the door imho to Ad hominem attacks due to some of his past claims ("Lizard people" etc), he describing himself as an “atheist” in the past and some of the allegations he had/s ties with the Theosophical Society of Helena Blavatsky (a.k.a. "Madame Blavatsky").
Overall, I found this extremely beneficial and have learnt a great deal. Thank you!
people of strong religious views need to see this tho. it is by their hands that great evil is being supported and propagated. If they trusted their own judgement of their own heart it would be obvious to them, but it is not. Do you think their god will forgive this abuse of his name?
Jesus saves. I do not doubt that. however, I am so glad that in college, my religion and society class taught me to open my eyes to all of this. The hierarchal control of ancient societies, facilitation of colonialism, removing means of production, and thus fostering dependency and interdependence with modern economic political and social control structures.
Hi Derek, I love this series and it is very well researched but unfortunately you really dropped the ball with the whole "religion is mind control" idea. This is a generalisation, the same as saying "math is not true" because there are bad accountants.
If it is secret societies that are controlling the world, and using religion to do so then why did Jesus condemn the taking of oaths (Matthew 5:36-37) and teaching secret doctrines (John 18:20)?
I believe your conclusion is in fact the desired understanding of the technocrat. Those who exalt themselves as the sole arbiters of reality will indeed not die for anything like one with religious zeal, however they will also live for anything, adapting to whoever has power and bending the knee to tyranny when it is convenient.
Is it not interesting that as Christianity diminishes in the west, tyranny increases?
Is it not interesting that every totalitarian regime first outlaws Christianity?
Is it not interesting that every totalitarian system was rejected and resisted by Bible believing Christians? Nero's polytheism, Popish Romanism (Jesuits), Islam, Jacobin Secularism, Nazism (see Corrie Ten Boom), Communism (See Richard Wurmbrand), even the leading scholar of Technocracy Patrick Wood is a Christian...
Is it also not interesting that Hollywood has been presenting Christians as bigoted, superstitious fools for decades? The very media industry infected by occult secret societies.
No my friend, true Christianity is the ONLY deterrent to tyranny.
This was evidenced in Covid-19 when the only public resistance seemed to be from biblically faithful pastors.
Finally, Jesus is not simply the God of Israel. Jesus existed before Israel was. In fact the Bible says Israel was chosen to birth the messiah because they were the weakest and most feeble of people. That God, in human weakness would conquer the world without the sword, without propaganda, coercion or social engineering. Christianity teaches that there is no Jew or Greek, that all are one in Christ and that His kingdom is spiritual. The passages quoted about bowing before Christ will be actualised on earth "without human hands" at His supernatural return.
My prayer is that you will see the truth in what I've typed.
Looking forward to your last instalment of this series!
Derrick as a journalist I have a great deal of respect for your research however when you suggest that first century Christians had a political advantage to follow Jesus (mythological or not), or even assume that today there is some kind of power advantage of being a Christian, I can only conclude that:
1. You have not investigated the historical and contemporary facts
2. Choose to ignore said facts for reasons that are convenient to formulating a self-imposing ethic
The 19th-20th centuries have see the fruits of Adam's Smiths enlightenment philosophy of "my mind is my own church" and this "wisdom" has indeed been thoroughly justified by her children.
Arbitrary "ought's" from subjective "is's" are but sound and fury signifying nothing.
Let us then not exit and build, but rather eat and drink for tomorrow we die.
The early Church and Roman Empire had a political advantage to switch to Christianity. That's what I was arguing and I don't think that can be ignored,
Hi Derrick, thanks for the reply and being patient with me.
The Edict of Toleration was passed in 325 AD by Constantine which only allowed Christians to live without constant threat of persecution.
So you have a good ~300 years of brutal persecution without any political advantage whatsoever. Nero even blamed the burning of Rome (64 AD) on Christians and executed the Apostle Paul.
Rome considered Christians Atheists because they preached monotheism and Jews considered them heretics.
The merging of state and church happened under Theodosius 378-395 AD - here you have forced conversions, pagan temples became churches, heathen festivals were converted into Christian ones, etc. Practices which are contrary to scripture.
This merging of church and state was not universal as there existed churches which thrived while being independent of Rome, such as the Celtic church of St. Patrick in Ireland. Patrick's Confession reads like the theology of the Reformation and the early church.
I know you have done some research into the Jesuits, there was a counter-reformation agenda to re-write church history to keep the myths of popery alive. The term propaganda even has it's roots to this time and the Jesuits efforts. Even Adam Weishaupt was mentored by Jesuits and tough law at a Jesuit seminary.
Two books I would recommend to understand church history would be The Pilgrim Church by E. H. Broadbent and A Woman Rides the Beast by David Hunt which has a free audio book version on YouTube:
While it is convenient and popular to attribute all of the world's violence and evil to a belief in a deity, that attribution comes from a total misunderstanding of the fundamental tenets of creationists, in that we are all created equal and should treat each other as such. I am not a scholar nor do I espouse any organised religion, I have read the gospels, which are the words of Jesus, whom whether or not one believes in the existence of same, the words do indeed exist, and I have yet to find a single instance in which people are exhorted to commit violence upon one another to please their deity. I can't speak for those who believe in Judaism or Islam or even most of the Old Testament of the Bible, but I do remember something about "shalt not kill" in there too.
Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people. When two children fight over a toy, one wouldn't blame the toy manufacturer for the children's violence. Sociopaths, bent on subverting the will of God in that they seek to dominate those whom they have been commanded to regard as equals, twist religion as a prod to commit others to their cause. Jesus never said "go kill all the Muslims", "conduct Inquisitions", et cetera. In fact, Jesus was quite clear that judgement is reserved only for the Father himself.
The preferred prod these days is statism, with sociopaths attaining power by exhorting those foolish enough to believe in their "authority" to murder hairdressers and cab drivers living a world away from them. But it is isn't the Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore or even the flag that causes strife - it is the sociopaths that use those symbols to elicit violence among those who fail to heed Jesus' words.
If one must find something to blame, one must consider sociopathy and from where that originates. Whether that is a physical or spiritual "place" is beyond my understanding, but I did notice in your history of the empires of Europe and East Asia that Babylon was among those left unmentioned. Maybe start there?
Excellent documentary, Derrick. I'll link to it in my upcoming post.
I'm thankful to know that I am free, and like you said, a relationship with the Divine is freely offered.
You do great work, Derrick, I appreciate all your videos and learn much from them.
Wow Derrick. You are quite brave to venture into this 'realm' at this specific time in human history but I commend you for doing so.
I personally have learnt a great deal and while I already knew most of material about "The Grove", I was still caught by surprise by some of the attendees shown in your film, including Neil Armstrong, RFK and Menachem Begin (did I see right? You didn't state his name specifically).
Not sure if I would choose to feature Icke in an episode on such a truly 'explosive' topic, which may elicit (very very) strong emotions amongst people with strong religious views, as doing so opens the door imho to Ad hominem attacks due to some of his past claims ("Lizard people" etc), he describing himself as an “atheist” in the past and some of the allegations he had/s ties with the Theosophical Society of Helena Blavatsky (a.k.a. "Madame Blavatsky").
Overall, I found this extremely beneficial and have learnt a great deal. Thank you!
people of strong religious views need to see this tho. it is by their hands that great evil is being supported and propagated. If they trusted their own judgement of their own heart it would be obvious to them, but it is not. Do you think their god will forgive this abuse of his name?
Jesus saves. I do not doubt that. however, I am so glad that in college, my religion and society class taught me to open my eyes to all of this. The hierarchal control of ancient societies, facilitation of colonialism, removing means of production, and thus fostering dependency and interdependence with modern economic political and social control structures.
Thank you.
Excellent.
Hi Derek, I love this series and it is very well researched but unfortunately you really dropped the ball with the whole "religion is mind control" idea. This is a generalisation, the same as saying "math is not true" because there are bad accountants.
If it is secret societies that are controlling the world, and using religion to do so then why did Jesus condemn the taking of oaths (Matthew 5:36-37) and teaching secret doctrines (John 18:20)?
I believe your conclusion is in fact the desired understanding of the technocrat. Those who exalt themselves as the sole arbiters of reality will indeed not die for anything like one with religious zeal, however they will also live for anything, adapting to whoever has power and bending the knee to tyranny when it is convenient.
Is it not interesting that as Christianity diminishes in the west, tyranny increases?
Is it not interesting that every totalitarian regime first outlaws Christianity?
Is it not interesting that every totalitarian system was rejected and resisted by Bible believing Christians? Nero's polytheism, Popish Romanism (Jesuits), Islam, Jacobin Secularism, Nazism (see Corrie Ten Boom), Communism (See Richard Wurmbrand), even the leading scholar of Technocracy Patrick Wood is a Christian...
Is it also not interesting that Hollywood has been presenting Christians as bigoted, superstitious fools for decades? The very media industry infected by occult secret societies.
No my friend, true Christianity is the ONLY deterrent to tyranny.
This was evidenced in Covid-19 when the only public resistance seemed to be from biblically faithful pastors.
Consider watching this interview of Artur Pawlowski who resisted tyranny because of his Christian beliefs, not despite them: https://moneromaster.substack.com/p/debanking-pastors-w-artur-pawlowski
Finally, Jesus is not simply the God of Israel. Jesus existed before Israel was. In fact the Bible says Israel was chosen to birth the messiah because they were the weakest and most feeble of people. That God, in human weakness would conquer the world without the sword, without propaganda, coercion or social engineering. Christianity teaches that there is no Jew or Greek, that all are one in Christ and that His kingdom is spiritual. The passages quoted about bowing before Christ will be actualised on earth "without human hands" at His supernatural return.
My prayer is that you will see the truth in what I've typed.
Looking forward to your last instalment of this series!
I don't believe Christ was a historical figure. He was, at best, an amalgamation of multiple characters and created for political expediency.
" Those who exalt themselves as the sole arbiters of reality "
This was not at all what I was advocating.
Thanks for watching.
Derrick as a journalist I have a great deal of respect for your research however when you suggest that first century Christians had a political advantage to follow Jesus (mythological or not), or even assume that today there is some kind of power advantage of being a Christian, I can only conclude that:
1. You have not investigated the historical and contemporary facts
2. Choose to ignore said facts for reasons that are convenient to formulating a self-imposing ethic
The 19th-20th centuries have see the fruits of Adam's Smiths enlightenment philosophy of "my mind is my own church" and this "wisdom" has indeed been thoroughly justified by her children.
Arbitrary "ought's" from subjective "is's" are but sound and fury signifying nothing.
Let us then not exit and build, but rather eat and drink for tomorrow we die.
The early Church and Roman Empire had a political advantage to switch to Christianity. That's what I was arguing and I don't think that can be ignored,
Hi Derrick, thanks for the reply and being patient with me.
The Edict of Toleration was passed in 325 AD by Constantine which only allowed Christians to live without constant threat of persecution.
So you have a good ~300 years of brutal persecution without any political advantage whatsoever. Nero even blamed the burning of Rome (64 AD) on Christians and executed the Apostle Paul.
Rome considered Christians Atheists because they preached monotheism and Jews considered them heretics.
The merging of state and church happened under Theodosius 378-395 AD - here you have forced conversions, pagan temples became churches, heathen festivals were converted into Christian ones, etc. Practices which are contrary to scripture.
This merging of church and state was not universal as there existed churches which thrived while being independent of Rome, such as the Celtic church of St. Patrick in Ireland. Patrick's Confession reads like the theology of the Reformation and the early church.
I know you have done some research into the Jesuits, there was a counter-reformation agenda to re-write church history to keep the myths of popery alive. The term propaganda even has it's roots to this time and the Jesuits efforts. Even Adam Weishaupt was mentored by Jesuits and tough law at a Jesuit seminary.
Two books I would recommend to understand church history would be The Pilgrim Church by E. H. Broadbent and A Woman Rides the Beast by David Hunt which has a free audio book version on YouTube:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teT_G7CtT6Q&list=PL8h-hZqvqAk-i36iguHJJYucGtV99Jz8n
I wish you the very best in your studies
Thanks
Oh, brother.
While it is convenient and popular to attribute all of the world's violence and evil to a belief in a deity, that attribution comes from a total misunderstanding of the fundamental tenets of creationists, in that we are all created equal and should treat each other as such. I am not a scholar nor do I espouse any organised religion, I have read the gospels, which are the words of Jesus, whom whether or not one believes in the existence of same, the words do indeed exist, and I have yet to find a single instance in which people are exhorted to commit violence upon one another to please their deity. I can't speak for those who believe in Judaism or Islam or even most of the Old Testament of the Bible, but I do remember something about "shalt not kill" in there too.
Religion doesn't kill people. People kill people. When two children fight over a toy, one wouldn't blame the toy manufacturer for the children's violence. Sociopaths, bent on subverting the will of God in that they seek to dominate those whom they have been commanded to regard as equals, twist religion as a prod to commit others to their cause. Jesus never said "go kill all the Muslims", "conduct Inquisitions", et cetera. In fact, Jesus was quite clear that judgement is reserved only for the Father himself.
The preferred prod these days is statism, with sociopaths attaining power by exhorting those foolish enough to believe in their "authority" to murder hairdressers and cab drivers living a world away from them. But it is isn't the Grand Canyon, Mount Rushmore or even the flag that causes strife - it is the sociopaths that use those symbols to elicit violence among those who fail to heed Jesus' words.
If one must find something to blame, one must consider sociopathy and from where that originates. Whether that is a physical or spiritual "place" is beyond my understanding, but I did notice in your history of the empires of Europe and East Asia that Babylon was among those left unmentioned. Maybe start there?
Watched it twice, because it is so packed i was worried i might have missed something .